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Podcast: Fred Pawle
Episode: Oliver Hartwich - Thursday 6 April, 2023
Description: Former New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern makes her valedictory speech as the Voice to Parliament debate heats up in Australia. The connection between the two is more than coincidental. Special guest: Oliver Hartwich of the New Zealand Initiative. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices