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Podcast: Nul Points: A Eurovision Fan Podcast
Episode: The secret to the perfect Eurovision song
Description: Laura and Martyn talk to Eurovision song expert Chris Lochery (aka Kit Lovelace on Twitter). He's been analysing Eurovision hits for years and has a few ideas to help Martyn and Laura write their Eurovision smasher.
There's more news from the world of the contest and Martyn admits another mistake in Correction Corner.