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Podcast: Apple News Today
Episode: Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.
Description:
This episode from our Apple News In Conversation archives is our most-listened-to interview of the year. It was originally published in June 2025.
In his 22-year career in the FBI, undercover agent Scott Payne infiltrated some of the most dangerous criminal and extremist groups in America, from a motorcycle gang called the Outlaws to a white-supremacist group known as the Base. Payne shares his firsthand case accounts of gathering intelligence and stopping illegal activity in his memoir, Code Name: Pale Horse; How I Went Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis. His story is also featured on th...