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Podcast: Thinking Differently with Kathie Rotz
Episode: #236 How Great Leaders Keep Going When They’re at Zero
Description: What do you do when the vision is too big and you’re running on empty?In Part 2 of this powerful series, elite mountaineer Joel Schauer shareshow climbing Mount Everest taught him to break massive goals into one step,ten breaths at a time. This conversation dives into leadership, resilience,silencing naysayers, and why the hardest moments aren’t hell—they’re the keysto heaven. If you’re leading through pressure, doubt, or exhaustion, this episode will change how you think about perseverance.👇 What’s your next small step forward? Share in the comments.