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Podcast: Always Better than Yesterday with Ryan Hartley | A Podcast for Heart Centred Leaders
Episode: Ep 326 Interview Sessions with Jessica Fern & David Cooley | From Shame To Learn - Transforming the Shame Triangle
Description: In this episode of the Always Better Than Yesterday Podcast, host Ryan Hartley sits down with psychotherapist and author Jessica Fern, alongside restorative justice facilitator David Cooley.Together, they explore the core ideas behind their book Transforming the Shame Triangle, unpacking how shame is formed, how it operates internally, and how it shapes our relationships, leadership, and sense of self.Drawing on Internal Family Systems (IFS), attachment theory and restorative practices, Jessica and David introduce the concept of the Shame Triangle — a powerful framework that explains the internal dynamics many of us experience daily.Through this conversation, they reveal ho...